Dancing with Nazis

The Smiley Face Killers

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CONTENTS OF THIS PAGE
Is Occult Belief the Motivation?
Marilyn Manson Enraged by Smiley Face.
Other Examples of Smileys used in Crimes.
The Significance of Sinsinawa
Historic Pagan/Shamanistic Sacrifice
The Tommy Booth Death
Does Art imitate Life?
Drowning Pool
Disturbed
The Occult/Satanic Film, “Natural Born Killers”
Do Victims and Families have any Recourse?
Dream Deceivers – The Story of James Vance and Judas Priest
Caveat
Fair Use Notice

Is Occult Belief the Motivation?

The “Smiley Face Killings” is a group of several dozen deaths, mostly in mid-western states that are thought by some to be related. Smiley Face Graffiti was found near the places where the bodies went into the water. This page explores whether there may be some reason to believe there is some occult motivation for these supposed murders. It is not meant to convince anyone of anything, but just to suggest some potential motivations that would need to be verified or disproved by investigators.

Does this Smiley Face Represent Charlie Manson?Smiley compared to Manson

There is also the famous photo, below, of Manson sticking out his tongue, but with a Swastika carved on his forehead, which is similar to the Graffiti. Charlie carved an “X” on his forehead during the trial, sometime after the trial he made it into a swastika. It appears the “artist” mixed the features of these two famous images.

Charles Manson
Charles Manson

Click here for background information on the “Smiley Face Serial Killers”

Some quotes from Charlie Manson, Marilyn Manson’s namesake:

“From behind the time locks of courtrooms and from the worlds of darkness, I did let loose devils and demons with the power of scorpions to torment.”

“I’m going to chop up some more of you mother-fuckers. I’m going to kill as many of you as I can. I’m going to pile you up to the sky. I figure about fifty million of you.”

“Hitler was a tuned-in guy.”

If you’re going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy.

A “witchy” smiley face left at a murder site of the supposed “Smiley Face Serial Killer” seems to represent Charlie Manson. In these supposed “Smiley Face” serial killings, popular, high-achieving, athletic young men (i.e. jocks) — usually after a night of drinking at a bar — are kidnapped, tortured, murdered and then their bodies dumped in a river or stream, which seem to have been mostly tributaries of the Mississippi river. Some may recall that popular, high-achieving Jocks (and Christians) were major targets of the Goth Columbine Killers, who were fascinated with Nazism and chose Hitler’s birthday to carry out their massacre. Compare the “X” on the foreheads in the photo above. The “X” on Charlie Manson’s forehead means that he had “crossed himself out” of society. Other smileys at the “murder scenes”, had horns so presumably represent Satan. There have been other serial murders that were inspired by Charles Manson and Satanism. For example, see the book above in the bibliography, “The Ultimate Evil”, which documents the ritualistic serial killings of David Berkowitz, who was part of the “Son of Sam” satanic Nazi cult. In recent decades a satanic/occult subculture has spread across the US and Europe, some of whose members are believers in the philosophy of Charles Manson and of Nazism, as was described in the Maury Terry’s book. These wide-spread killings may seem to be “unconnected” because different groups or individuals carry them out more or less independently, while motivated by common occult beliefs.

Here is another fatwa from Charles Manson, the Ayatollah of Satanism, from this website – “Charles Manson & Family”

“Remember the old movie where the piper – the pied piper, they said you play all the rats into the river and that they would pay you. And then the people never paid the piper so they always kept losing their children. Well, you’ve lost six generations of children to me, because you won’t pay me what you owe me. Because I didn’t break no law. I didn’t kill nobody. I didn’t tell nobody to get killed. “

It is interesting that during the original Manson trial, the dead body of the attorney of Leslie van Houten, Ronald Hughes, was also found in the bed of a stream. It was also thought to have been an accidental drowning, but Manson had threatened to kill Hughes, because he would not allow van Houten to testify in order to help get Charlie off the hook for the murders.

Manson practically originated the violent extremist environmentalist movement personally with his theory of Air, Trees, Water, and Animals (ATWA). If he did not start it, he at least heralded it. After Manson was jailed, some of his followers threatened to kill executives of corporations, who they saw as polluters. He believes the waters of the rivers and streams are sacred as the Hindus believe the Ganges River is sacred. The Mississippi river seems to be of special importance to Charlie Manson. The Hindus deposit the remains of their dead in the sacred river. The killers may feel that it is appropriate to deposit the remains of a sacrifice in the sacred waters of a river or it’s tributaries. Manson believes there are many more people on the Earth than the planet can support, that we are in an environmental “holy war” and, like many Satanists or occultists, that the life of a human is worth less than that of an animal. He said that he would rather kill a man than a scorpion, a totem animal of his. It would be naïve to think that all people that think this way are safely locked up in prison with Charlie. There are probably thousands of people in the US that are infatuated with Charlie Manson and his philosophy. Some of them have committed murder in recent years.

Charlie Manson was trying to create an army composed of his followers and Satan-worshipping motorcycle gang members, such as Satan Slaves. He planned to wage war in the desert after the apocalyptic race war, he called “Helter Skelter” began. If you want to read more about Charlie Manson, this underground, satanic, Nazi-inspired, youth army that he tried to create in the 60’s and also about various entertainers of today that foster a similar, violence-prone, occult Nazi/fascist subculture, see the links to books and videos in the bibliography in the right margin. “The Family”, by Ed Sanders described Charles Manson’s attempts to form his own satanic Nazi Army. Some of Manson’s fans and philosophical followers today still have the same concept. Be forewarned that the “Apocalypse Culture” and “Art that Kills” books also deal with subjects such as cannibalism and child pornography and can be very graphic.

Marilyn Manson Enraged by Smiley Face – Marilyn Manson took his stage name from Charlie Manson and has been accused of inciting violent acts among his fans, especially the Columbine Murders. Apparently someone, probably a member of his crew, pasted a large Smiley Face on his stage set in Cedar Rapids, Iowa in 1999, which is one of the states of the Smiley Face Murders. Cedar Rapids is also not very far from Sinsinawa. He became so enraged that the stopped the concert as soon as he noticed it, left the stage and did not come back. Reportedly he destroyed his dressing room and Twenty-three fans were arrested in the ensuing riot. Just an overreaction to an innocent symbol? Maybe, or maybe he was conscious of a darker meaning of that symbol in that particular area. There do seem to be a lot of coincidental appearances of smiley faces in that area. You can read about the incident here and in another post here.

Other Examples of Smileys used in Crime Another example of the use of a Smiley Face in an attempted murder is Lucas Helder, who tried to plant pipe bombs in a pattern across several states that would represent an enormous Smiley Face traced across the surface of the Earth. Helder sent a Unabomber-like manifesto to a newspaper editor, entitled “Life on Earth”. He was an art student at the University of Wisconsin-Stout, had a “Grunge” band called Apathy and was a fan of Nirvana. His manifesto indicates that he was obsessed with the occult and perhaps a kind of Earth/nature worship. His first bombings, one of the eyes of his giant Smiley Face, was in the area very near Sinsinawa, Wisconsin and Dubuque, Iowa, where one of the Smiley Face Murders occured. Here is a map of his bombing pattern.

Yet another example of Smiley Face use in a crime is that of eco-terrorists of the so-called Earth Liberation Front (ELF) who destroyed SUV’s and spray-painted a Smiley Face on the one of them. You can read about it here. The Smiley Face might be taken in these eco-terrorist crimes to represent a “happy Earth”. Happy due to the the eco-terroristic actions of the perpetrator, presumably. It seems to be a common image amoung the “saving the planet” set, fanatic or not.

Images of a Happy Earth
Happy Earth Images

The Significance of Sinsinawa

The word “Sinsinawa” is also part of the graffiti that has been found and one of the murders occurred on a street by that name. Sinsinawa Street is in Dubuque, Iowa, where one of the victims was abducted after a night of drinking. “Sinsinawa” is also, however, an Indian word meaning “rattlesnake mound” and is the name of a mound (actually a natural hill) in Grant County, Wisconsin. Sinsinawa Mound was sacred to the original Mound Indians and was also the site of fighting during the Blackhawk Indian War and two white men, presumably Christians, were terribly mutilated there in 1832. Both were scalped and one’s heart was cut out of his chest. Earlier Indians called Sinsinawa Mound “Manitoumie” which means dwelling place of the Great Spirit. The mound is near the Mississippi river and may have some significance for Satanists and other occultists, due to the name and history of the place. It is known that human sacrifice was practiced on sacred mounds in ancient times by the mound Indians of the Mississippi Valley, just as the Aztecs did in Mexico. Satanists, occultists and neo-pagans, such as Wicca’s and Druids, frequently re-consecrate these ancient religious sites that were used by American Indians and begin using them again for ceremony and ritual. The Blackhawk Indian War in this area was a rebellion against the “civilization” of the white man for a return to a natural, Earth-worshipping, pagan lifestyle. The leader, Blackhawk, and his spiritual advisor, White Cloud, were also religious leaders and were seen as great “prophets” by their followers, as Charles Manson is seen by some occultists today. Some modern occultists may be taking inspiration from the history of this area and that could be the significance of the word “Sinsinawa”, because the torture, killing and mutilation of the two white men can be considered to be a sacrifice to the gods during the Blackhawk War by these pagan Indians at what was to them a sacred place. The Blackhawk War was a religious uprising by the shamanistic pagan Indians of the area.

Sinsinawa, a Sacred Indian Mound near the Mississippi River
Sinsinawa Mound in Southwest Wisconsin, an ancient sacred burial ground of the Indians.

This next clip is from a 1985 Documentary called “The Occult Experience” and shows the re-consecration of an Indian mound as a “Earth-healing temple” by Wicca practitioners of “white magic”. The witch in the clip, Selena Fox, lives Barnveld in South-West Wisconsin and the mound that she re-consecrates is probably not very far from the Sinsinawa mound. She is one of the most prominent pagans in the US. This part of the Midwest seems to be a very active area for occultists. It is not intended to implicate Selena Fox in any way. The clip just illustrates the beliefs that some neo-pagans, as well as other occultists feel with regard to the sacredness of the Earth and the elements such as air and water. Satanists often incorporate a smorgasbord of beliefs of neo-pagans and other occultists into their own belief system, as Charlie Manson borrowed many pagan beliefs. Some Satanists also do not call themselves Satanists, for obvious reasons. “Satanist” can be a very subjective term, in any case.

Unfortunately, not all Satanists/occultists practice only white magic, as Manson demonstrated. There is no prohibition against killing humans in most of these occult religions and if ritual and sacrifice has “magickal power” according to their beliefs, there will always be some people that take that idea to the logical, ultimate progression that a ritual of human sacrifice will be the most powerful ritual of all. Some occultists may be too impatient to depend only on “white magic” to save their “sacred” Mother Earth from what they see as her destruction by modern society.

Re-Consecration of Sacred Mound near Sinsinawa by Shamanistic Pagan Group

The Celtic Cross or Solar Cross is an ancient pagan symbol that Selena Fox incorporates in the design of the logo for her publication, Circle Magazine, and traces out in their path in this video as they invoke the spirits of the four directions is the same symbol that the Zodiac killer used as his logo. It is a religious symbol of the Celts/Druids. The Zodiac Killer said in his missives to the police that he was killing in order to have slaves for the afterlife. Zodiac means not just the astrological signs, but a “circular path” and can represent the cycles of life or reincarnation. When occult belief systems do not have injunctions against killing — or may even sanction killing — and historically have included sacrifice as a ritual, they can be used by some as a religious motive for murder of innocent people. Especially in this politically correct era, federal and local police are loath to assign any occult religious motivation to crimes, because it can anger many people and, instead of simplifying things for them, open a large can of worms, which they may not have the resources or jurisdiction to resolve, as well as presenting the potential for law suits from adherents of the occult belief system, which may be constitutionally protected as a church.

The image below is a drawing of witness descriptions of the Zodiac Killer, who was thought by some to also to have had a fascination with water and a number of the killings had some connection to water.

The Zodiac Killer, Displaying
the Pagan Celtic Cross

Historic Pagan/Shamanistic Sacrifice

Archeologists have reported that the mound-building Indians of the Mississippi Valley did sacrifice humans on some of the mounds as the Aztecs did on the pyramids of Mexico. The mound-building cultures collapsed before Europeans came to the Mississippi Valley. However, Indians in more recent times also sacrificed humans during times of war.

Now, these Pagans did not kill because they were psychotics. Certainly most were completely sane. They killed because Paganism has no historic sacred injunction against killing humans and they were taught in their culture that there is nothing particularly sacred or valuable about the life of the average human being and that the sacrifice of humans would bring about some improvement in their environment or advantage in the World or in the afterlife. Relatives of important people were sacrificed, most likely, so that they would be with that person in the afterlife, much like the Zodiac Killer and the Night Stalker killed, as they said in letters to police and elsewhere, so that they would have slaves in the afterlife. Richard Ramirez was examined by psychiatrists and found to be sane, as was Charlie Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer, David Berkowitz, Ted Bundy and many other serial murderers. The point is that this behavior can be taught and learned, it is not necessarily inherent to some mental disorder, although some may be more oriented in that direction than others. Since the 60’s growing numbers of people are being taught these religious ethics in our society.

Human Sacrifice by Shamanistic/Pagan Aztec Indians
Human Sacrifice by Shamanistic, Pagan Indians

The pagan Celts were thought to have sacrificed humans by burning, hanging from sacred trees or by drowning in sacred waters. There were Celtic “water cults” that offered things of value and sometimes human sacrifices to sacred pools, streams or rivers. An example of this is the story of Excalibur, where the sword was offered to the spirit of the lake. The custom of throwing coins in fountains is supposed to have come from this pagan practice.

The image below, of a man prepared to be burned in sacrifice, is from the website of a Satanist. It is not clear if this image is real or perhaps staged for a movie or other reason.

Human Sacrifice prepared for Burning
Man prepared for sacrifice by burning.

Tommy Booth Death in Ridley, PA

The video below is a KSTP Eyewitness News report on the death of Tommy Booth in Ridley Township in Pennsylvania. His body was found in the stream behind the bar, where he had been drinking. Graffiti was found later behind the bar which contained a smiley face with an apparent crown. This again can be a reference to Charlie Manson, because he is sometimes called “the King” and also refers to himself in that way.

Besides the smiley face, a star and a figure similar to a Celtic Cross is seen in the Graffiti, which can be compared to the one worn by the Zodiac Killer above. The star can be a reference to the Pentacle, such as is used by Wicca’s. The Celtic Cross is a well-known pagan symbol. The Celtic Cross” in this clip has a small circle in the middle which could refer to the sacred fire such as can be seen in the Salena Fox’s Circle of fire ritual. The circular smiley face, itself, might also even be considered a reference to a sacred circle.

KSTP Eyewitness News Report on the Death of Tommy Booth in Ridley, PA

The figure circled in the image below is similar to a “sieg rune”. Runes are the characters of the ancient Nordic alphabet and are believed by Nazis and Pagans to have mystical powers. A single sieg rune was the logo of the Hitler youth but it can also refer to the Satanic Army motif used by many musical groups and occultists. Some of the other stick figures in the graffiti also vaguely resemble Nordic runic figures, as if they tried to draw other runes but could not reproduce the symbols accurately from memory.

Graffiti with Sieg Rune (Circled) found in Ridley, Pa
Graffiti found at stie of suspected smiley face killing.

Also, in the image above the number “6” is seen, which can be a reference to “666” the number of the beast of Revelations.

This next image is of a Sacred Fire Circle at Selena Fox’s annual Pagan Spirit Gathering. The mystical symbols are from several mystical traditions. The star in the foreground is similar to the star found in the graffiti at Ridley.

Sacred Fire Circle at S. Fox’s Pagan Spirit Gathering
Sacred Fire Circle at the Pagan Spirit Gathering.

You can notice that the sacred fire circle in the image above also depicts a figure similar to a Celtic Cross. There is a large circle with a smaller circle in the middle, where the “sacred fire” will burn. There are two lines at right angles radiating out to the outer circle which correspond to the “cross hair” like lines of the Celtic Cross, seen on the Zodiac Killer above.

Note, the six-pointed star probably does not symbolize the Jewish Star of David here, but has also been used by other occult groups such as the Free Masons, and by satanic groups that drew on the symbolism of the Free Masons. It is called the “Seal of Solomon”.

Does Art imitate Life?

Or, does life imitate art? Charlie Manson got his inspiration for his apocalypse, Helter Skelter, from the Beatles “White Album”. This is not quite a crazy as it seems, because the Beatles were familiar with the father of much of today’s Satanism, Aleister Crowley, and Crowley’s image did appear on the cover of their “Sgt. Pepper” album. So it is not that far-fetched that the Beatles would have alluded to one of Crowley’s favorite concepts and that is an apocalyptic event that would usher in the new Age of Horus, which can be seen as the new satanic age. That the Beatles wanted to inspire a Charlie Manson to a mass murder seems doubtful. However, others may have noticed that messages can be telegraphed via their music and a certain number of maniacal fanatics will act on it, without there being any possible way to trace these actions back to the musicians, i.e. the perfect murder.

Drowning Pool – The next clip is of a satanic/pagan metal band called “Drowning Pool”. The name “Drowning Pool” is the name of a Paul Newman movie and can allude to the dunking pool that was used by Christians in the late Middle Ages against witches, and to perform other executions and/or play on the sacred, sacrificial pools of the Druids/Celts. Is the singer singing “Let the bodies hit the floor?” or “Let the bodies hit the flow?” In the video, the band acts out trying to provoke someone to murder. They sing, “You are all by yourself, but you are not alone”, which can be taken to mean others will be doing the same thing (independently). Our society is developing large occult subcultures that are able to justify violence based on religious belief. Occult murders in the past have been isolated events done by individuals or small groups of people. We are probably approaching the point, if we are not there already, that this type of ritualistic violence can become widespread across a underclass of society, stoked by agitation delivered via the media. It seems ironic that Homeland Security is monitoring the private communications and data of average citizens, while other perverse groups are allowed to freely broadcast suggestive messages to millions of fans that can be interpreted to be calls for random violence against Americans.

Drowning Pool – Bodies

This Drowning Pool video, “Bodies”, besides having a number of more serious issues is unfair to people that have severe mental illness, because most serial murders are found to be clinically and legally sane. It is a popular myth that murderers are psychotic and that psychotics are “evil”. It is possible that a psychotic person may kill. However, people that are severely psychotic are so confused and out of touch with reality that it is impossible for them to carry out complex plans over a long period of time, such as a successful series of murders, where the perpetrator is not caught.

Drowning Pool and many other bands use a Satanic/Nazi Army motif for their fans. Their so-called fan corps is named in terms of military units. They toured in Iraq and below is a video of one of the performances. The band exploits American combat soldiers to glorify war like the Nazis did, while wearing skull symbols which are reminiscent of the Nazi SS logo. It is very sad to see American soldiers in the combat zone slam-dancing like Nazi skinheads and giving en masse the Devil’s Horn salute which can be considered to be the new fascist salute, since many Satanists classify themselves as fascists and have similar beliefs, based on Social Darwinism und the beliefs of that prototypical philosopher of Nazism, Frederick Nietzsche. If a war must be fought, Americans should take no joy in it and Nazi-like metalheads, that openly fantasize about killing people and insinuate that their fans should commit murders, should not be entertaining the troops with a Nuremberg-like rock performance.

Drowning Pool – Soldiers

Note the piles of skulls in the poster below and the US capitol being consumed in the flames of Satanic revolution.

Drowning Pool Satanic
Army Recruitment Poster

Drowning Pool recruitment poster

The lead singer of Drowning Pools, Dave Williams, was himself mysteriously found dead inside his tour bus on August 14, 2002. The death was attributed to heart disease, cardiomyopathy, although he had not previously been diagnosed with the disease. He was only 30 years old at the time of death. It is not known, whether a smiley face was found near the death scene. 😉

Disturbed – These images are two logos of the satanic/Wicca/Pagan band, “Disturbed”. The first logo is a smiley face. Smiley faces are common, but sinister smiley faces used as a logo of a band that tries to promote murder among their fans are not very common. The second has devil horns and is a Wicca Pentagram superposed on a satanic Seal of Solomon and a pagan Celtic Cross or Solar Wheel. The Seal of Solomon can be seen as apocalyptic, because the rebuilding of the Temple of Solomon is supposed to be a sign of the Apocalypse. Some Satanists see “Apocalypse” as being social chaos that will led to a social transformation into a satanic age.

Evil Smiley Face & Satanic Logos used by “Disturbed”
Two logos of the Metal band, disturbed.

The following as a video by “Disturbed”. The video is about a disaffected fan that fantasizes about killing people that disrespect him, including two young men that fit the profile of the Smiley Face victims, young, athletic, accepted.

Disturbed – Voices

Lyrics – Voices by Disturbed

So,
Are you breathing?
So,
Are you breathing?
Now, Now
Are you breathing?
So,
Are you breathing?
Now!

Wake up, are you alive
Will you listen to me
I’m gonna talk about some freaky shit now
Someone is gonna die
Will you listen to me
Let the living die, Let the living die
(say)(2x)
Wake up, are you alive
Will you listen to me
I’m gonna talk about some freaky shit now
Someone is gonna die
will you listen to me
Let the living die, Let the living die
Say

Are you breathing, no
Do the wicked see you?
You still breathing
You’re making me known
Are you breathing, no
Do the wicked see you?
You still breathing!

So!
What’s up, I wonder why
Do you listen to me
I’m gonna make you do some freaky shit now
Insane, you’re gonna die
will you listen to me
Let the living die, Let the living die
(say)
What’s up, I wonder why
Do you listen to me
I’m gonna make you do some freaky shit now
Insane, you’re gonna die
will you listen to me
Let the living die, Let the living die
(say)

Are you breathing, no
Do the wicked see you?
You still breathing
You’re making me known,
Are you breathing, no
Do the wicked see you?
You still breathing!

So, are you breathing?

Can you imagine how good going through this will make you feel
I promise, no one will ever know
There will be no chance of you getting caught
They never loved you anyway
So come on, be a man and do what you are compelled to do
Save me GOD!

I can hear the voice
But I don’t want to listen
Strap me down and tell me
I’ll be alright
I can feel the subliminal need
To be one with the voice
And make everything go
I can hear the voice
But I don’t want to listen
Strap me down and tell me
I’ll be alright
I can feel the subliminal need
To be one with the voice
And make everything alright

Are you breathing, no
Do the wicked see you?
You still breathing
You’re making me known
Are you breathing, no
Do the wicked see you?
You still breathing!

So,
Are you breathing?
So,
Do you breathe?
Now, Now.
So,
Are you breathing?
So,
Do you breath?
Now!

Natural Born Killers – The Columbine mass murderers were fascinated with the film “Natural Born Killers” (US Release August, 26, 1994) by Oliver Stone, a “former” Scientologist. The founder of Scientology was a student of the Satanism of Aleister Crowley. Stone says the the film is a parody and there is some disarming humor included. NBK besides being extremely violent has a multitude of references to Nazis and Occult themes, such as Satanism, Shamanistic Paganism, Wicca, the Apocalypse, the multi-headed beast of the Apocalypse, Charles Manson and other mass murderers. There are a couple places in the film where Smiley Faces are displayed. The main characters Mickey and Mallory go on a killing rampage. Their first victim is Mallory’s Father, who is drowned in a aquarium. Mickey is compared to other mass murderers, including Manson, who he calls, “The King”. Wolves/Coyotes, Snakes and Scorpions are shown many times in the film. The Wolf is a symbol of Social Darwinism and was the totem animal of Adolf Hitler, whose first name is a contraction in German of words meaning “noble wolf”. The Coyote and Scorpion are totem animals of Charles Manson. The Snake is a symbol of Satan. Mickey and Mallory do an improvised wedding ceremony on a bridge in the Canyon of a river. Mickey says that the canyon, mountains and river are their “church” (sacred to them) and the mix their blood and let it drop into the river, saying now they will live forever in all the oceans of the World.

Mickey and Mallory are caught after killing 52 people. In prison, Mickey describes his occult philosophy based on Social Darwinism to a journalist. A riot breaks out in the prison which can be seen as a allegory for the Apocalypse. A Charles Manson look-alike blasts open a door so the Mickey and Mallory can escape prison.

Smiley Face Symbolism from Oliver Stone’s
Occult/Satanic Film, “Natural Born Killers”

There have been several accusations already of copy cat crimes, based on Natural Born Killers. It is a cult film for many with occult beliefs and can be seen as fostering a culture of violence, for those that may believe that social chaos a la Manson’s Helter Skelter can effect a satanic transformation of society and that they, as superior beings, will come out on top after such a transformation.

This is clip from the film, where Mickey explains his philosophy to a journalist. Note the “88” on the football Jersey (00:05) is often used as code for “Heil Hitler” because “H” is the eighth letter of the alphabet. Also notice the Wicca like design of the circled pentagram (00:24). The Ying-Yang tattoo on Mickey’s arm (05:33) can be understood to mean the combination and moral equivalence of good and evil, which was part of the philosophy of the satanic Process Church of the Final Judgment, a satanic mother cult from the 60’s that was associated with Charles Manson. The black stripes on the front of some guards uniforms merge to form Christian crosses at times.

Modern-day Satanism is not necessarily the worship of a horned devil, if it ever was as simple as that, but a extreme rejection of mainstream, religious ethics, social conventions and morality. Mickey’s expressed views in this clip are pretty typical of modern-day Satanists, Social Darwinism, survival of the fittest and that Man is just another animal and it is no get loss to kill humans. The journalist explains Mickey’s idea that the World is much overpopulated by these worthless beings. Some Satanists and other occultists espouse the belief that the population of the planet should be greatly reduced, so that they can live and be served as the god-like beings that they believe themselves to be. The competition for survival creates a superior being or even a God as Mickey claims for himself. Normal society is made to look foolish and worthless. This is a parody, but it is a parody of “normal society” and a camp glorification of the murderer and the murderer’s satanic belief system.

Interview Scene from Natural Born Killers

Many people that see this “parody” probably will not notice or be able to recognize much of the symbolism that the film contains. They may not realize that it is a parody not of occultism and Satanism, or of just the media, but of mainstream society overall. Stone himself is (was?) an occultist and is probably not making a parody about his own occult beliefs. This film is a parody of those people that do not understand the film and the dark message resonates with probably 100’s of thousands of people in the US with similar belief systems and are able to “read” the symbolism like the shooters at Columbine apparently did. Some may act on it, as has been the accusation in a number of cases already.

Do victims and Families have any recourse? There are many bands today that do the sort of thing, described in this page. Drowning Pool and Disturbed is not unique in this respect. The common denominator of some of these bands is that they tour and play together in the Ozzfest, an annual tour of satanic rock. Note the Celtic Cross-like “O” and satanic symbolism in the image below.

Ozzfest Poster
Ozzfest poster

It is a consequence of the rapidly growing occult influence since the 60’s. Because you have the freedom to do something does not mean that you should do it, or that people should not criticize what you are doing or react in more meaningful ways, such as economic and/or legal sanctions, against the people and firms that make this possible. Some of these musicians are maniacs that count on any scandal being free advertisement making them even more popular. The only way to deflate their maniacal egos and stop them would seem to be to allow the families of the victims to sue them in a massive lawsuit and the organizations that support these festivals of hate. If a federal law is necessary to allow a successful lawsuit, then Congress should act. This is really no different than if Nazis or the KKK went on tour and spread hate and incitement to kill around the country. In that case few people would question the right of the families of victims to file suit to stop it. In fact some of these people do have Nazi/fascist belief systems, which they do not advertise as such openly. It may be time to put the demon back in the bottle.

Dream DeceiversJudas Priest was sued unsuccessfully about 20 years ago for allegedly causing the attempted suicide of two boys (one successful) with alleged subliminal messages. It was questionable whether the subliminal messages even existed. Today, however, the messages are quite explicit. Also, today the perpetrators and victims are not the same person as with a fan that commits suicide. So, a jury/judge may have more sympathy for the victims and their families, if a murder or other crime is committed by a fan on completely innocent, random victims. Apparently, a court precedent was set that song lyrics are protected speech and that is probably what has caused today’s performers to feel confident enough that they can now brazenly suggest that their fans murder people that they resent.

A counter example, however, is Tom Metzger, who was successfully sued for conspiracy in the “Seraw Case” for indirectly “inciting” neo-Nazis to violent acts in 1988, although he did not give anyone specific instructions to carry out any crime against any specific persons.

Dream Deceivers (56 min)
The Story of James Vance and Judas Priest

Or, click here to go to Google to see this hour-long video, where you can expand it to full screen.

Caveat – The above musings about the “Smiley Face Killings” are just speculation. The intent is just to give an overview the current atmosphere of occult beliefs and occultism as a possible motive, not to incriminate any particular group or individual. These deaths may still turn out to be random, unconnected murders and accidents selected out of a much larger number of random homicides and accidents, because they seem to fit a pre-conceived notion of the “pattern”. It is easy to pick out unrelated facts and spin a theory out of them. However, concrete evidence would be needed to verify the validity of any of these ideas.


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  1. i agree and dissagree with certain things on this page…like for 1 i agree that there are certain bands that promote violence against people you hate…but i believe you going after the wrong bands…like drowning pool Bodies” was created as a moshpit song for fans, and “soldiers” was accually created for the american forces in iraq…and at the ozzfest it isnt only satanic rock that plays there, there is also chrisain metal bands that play there to…not to mintion ozzy osbourn, the one who started ozzfest, is Christian…if you want to go after certain bands, go after mostly underground bands, they’ll give you a reason to dissaprove of them… oh yeah, and learn your genras in music, drowning pool is no where near pagan/black metal…if you want to learn about tha kind of music, i sugest you startlooking up bands like satyricon and dimmu borgir…but none of this is trying to offend you in anyway, so please take no offence…

    Comment by spencer — September 23, 2008 @ 5:49 am | Reply


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